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	<title>Comments on: Sun Spot Cycle Prompts Fears of Global Cooling</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11356</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we are in October 2009, the sun remains particularly void of sunspots and the weather distinctly cooler across the entire planet. Science has been wrong before, politicians wrong more often. I think I&#039;ll go with Farmers Almanac - we could be in for a long cold period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we are in October 2009, the sun remains particularly void of sunspots and the weather distinctly cooler across the entire planet. Science has been wrong before, politicians wrong more often. I think I&#8217;ll go with Farmers Almanac &#8211; we could be in for a long cold period.</p>
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		<title>By: Harper Shull</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11227</link>
		<dc:creator>Harper Shull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen,

I was trained as a statistician (MS Virginia Tech) and practiced the profession with two companies for over 30 years.

I can only eyeball the data and don&#039;t claim to be a statistician of the caliber of Deming or Youden, but  I tend to see correlations with both Co2 and sunspots.  As everyone should know, correlation does not mean cause and effect.  Only scientific theory can explain that.

I personally believe that the earth&#039;s average temperature has risen over the last decade, but I am not as certain as some politicians that man has caused it.

Has any reputable statistician actual analyzed the data for correlation coefficients and tested for their significance.  If I had the actual data( in numerical form), I would like to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,</p>
<p>I was trained as a statistician (MS Virginia Tech) and practiced the profession with two companies for over 30 years.</p>
<p>I can only eyeball the data and don&#8217;t claim to be a statistician of the caliber of Deming or Youden, but  I tend to see correlations with both Co2 and sunspots.  As everyone should know, correlation does not mean cause and effect.  Only scientific theory can explain that.</p>
<p>I personally believe that the earth&#8217;s average temperature has risen over the last decade, but I am not as certain as some politicians that man has caused it.</p>
<p>Has any reputable statistician actual analyzed the data for correlation coefficients and tested for their significance.  If I had the actual data( in numerical form), I would like to see.</p>
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		<title>By: ALGOREwasWRONG</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11142</link>
		<dc:creator>ALGOREwasWRONG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE GREAT MINDS who gave ALGORE a prize and money on GLOBAL warming... EVEN OUR HOME TOWN NEWS weather man stated I DONT know why NONE of the BIG news media is not reporting this GLOBAL COOLING becasue there is sun spots, all the while the BIG MEDIA NEWS like CNN and others are telling people its global warming...

REAL REPORTS http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/584180.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE GREAT MINDS who gave ALGORE a prize and money on GLOBAL warming&#8230; EVEN OUR HOME TOWN NEWS weather man stated I DONT know why NONE of the BIG news media is not reporting this GLOBAL COOLING becasue there is sun spots, all the while the BIG MEDIA NEWS like CNN and others are telling people its global warming&#8230;</p>
<p>REAL REPORTS <a href="http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/584180.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/584180.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: John A. Jauregui</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11104</link>
		<dc:creator>John A. Jauregui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global Warming legislation just came out of committee.  World oil production is now in permanent decline.  What oil is left will provide us the only bridge we will have to what comes next.  I am asking myself, &quot;Why is the Democratic Party making this a TOLL BRIDGE with the passage of this new tax legislation?&quot;

The move to change legislative language from &quot;Global Warming&quot; to &quot;Climate Change&quot; confirms Congress&#039;s acknowledgement that the planet is now cooling and that the decline in solar activity is responsible for the &quot;Global Cooling&quot; we are now feeling.

Dubious?  Google &quot;IPCC Global Warming Potential (GWP)&quot; to find the real story on CO2 as an atmospheric trace gas contributing to warming.  Oh, by the way, what Prof. Mann&#039;s infamous hockey stick diagram Bristlecone proxy data shows conclusively is that nothing has done more to &quot;GREEN&quot; the planet over the past few decades than moderate sun-driven warming together with elevated levels of CO2, regardless of the source.  Increase atmospheric CO2, increase crop and forest production.  That&#039;s the bottom line.  It’s no accident that commercial greenhouse operators invest heavily in CO2 generators to boost the productivity of their fixed growing facilities.

Let’s review the arguments.

Argument: Warming is bad.
Fact:  History shows warming is good.  Rome rose to power during the Roman Warm Period.  The Medieval Warm Period enabled the Renaissance.  The Modern Warm Period gave rise to the US super power.

Argument:  CO2 causes warming.
Fact:  IPCC technical reports give CO2 a GWP of unity (1); lower than most trace gases by several orders of magnitude, particularly water vapor.

Argument:  People release CO2; therefore people are responsible for Global Warming.
Fact:  A review of the carbon cycle shows very clearly humans are responsible for only 3 percent of the CO2 entering our biosphere.  How high would fuel Cap&amp;Trade Taxes have to go for you to reduce your carbon fuels usage by 1/3?  2/3?  Think about it.  The result is in the noise, that is 1 or 2 percent reduction in CO2 production IF everyone on the planet complies.

Simple Fact:  World oil production has been on a plateau for 4 years.  That production has now rolled off into permanent decline.  Why put a crushing tax on it now?   …and why avoid the subject leading up to the vote on this toxic legislation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global Warming legislation just came out of committee.  World oil production is now in permanent decline.  What oil is left will provide us the only bridge we will have to what comes next.  I am asking myself, &#8220;Why is the Democratic Party making this a TOLL BRIDGE with the passage of this new tax legislation?&#8221;</p>
<p>The move to change legislative language from &#8220;Global Warming&#8221; to &#8220;Climate Change&#8221; confirms Congress&#8217;s acknowledgement that the planet is now cooling and that the decline in solar activity is responsible for the &#8220;Global Cooling&#8221; we are now feeling.</p>
<p>Dubious?  Google &#8220;IPCC Global Warming Potential (GWP)&#8221; to find the real story on CO2 as an atmospheric trace gas contributing to warming.  Oh, by the way, what Prof. Mann&#8217;s infamous hockey stick diagram Bristlecone proxy data shows conclusively is that nothing has done more to &#8220;GREEN&#8221; the planet over the past few decades than moderate sun-driven warming together with elevated levels of CO2, regardless of the source.  Increase atmospheric CO2, increase crop and forest production.  That&#8217;s the bottom line.  It’s no accident that commercial greenhouse operators invest heavily in CO2 generators to boost the productivity of their fixed growing facilities.</p>
<p>Let’s review the arguments.</p>
<p>Argument: Warming is bad.<br />
Fact:  History shows warming is good.  Rome rose to power during the Roman Warm Period.  The Medieval Warm Period enabled the Renaissance.  The Modern Warm Period gave rise to the US super power.</p>
<p>Argument:  CO2 causes warming.<br />
Fact:  IPCC technical reports give CO2 a GWP of unity (1); lower than most trace gases by several orders of magnitude, particularly water vapor.</p>
<p>Argument:  People release CO2; therefore people are responsible for Global Warming.<br />
Fact:  A review of the carbon cycle shows very clearly humans are responsible for only 3 percent of the CO2 entering our biosphere.  How high would fuel Cap&amp;Trade Taxes have to go for you to reduce your carbon fuels usage by 1/3?  2/3?  Think about it.  The result is in the noise, that is 1 or 2 percent reduction in CO2 production IF everyone on the planet complies.</p>
<p>Simple Fact:  World oil production has been on a plateau for 4 years.  That production has now rolled off into permanent decline.  Why put a crushing tax on it now?   …and why avoid the subject leading up to the vote on this toxic legislation?</p>
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		<title>By: ideonexus</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11088</link>
		<dc:creator>ideonexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too. : )</p>
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		<title>By: ClintJCL</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11084</link>
		<dc:creator>ClintJCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.. that last comment did make me laugh a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.. that last comment did make me laugh a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: PesimisticFaggot</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-11078</link>
		<dc:creator>PesimisticFaggot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global Warming.

Global Cooling.

After reading all of the above debating on the two subjects, how about a little global shutting the fuck up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global Warming.</p>
<p>Global Cooling.</p>
<p>After reading all of the above debating on the two subjects, how about a little global shutting the fuck up?</p>
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		<title>By: ideonexus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ideonexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks gaugeyagee; although, I must admit, I find the frothing, incoherent crankery of dittoheads ranting against my posts the most wonderful form of flattery. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks gaugeyagee; although, I must admit, I find the frothing, incoherent crankery of dittoheads ranting against my posts the most wonderful form of flattery. : )</p>
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		<title>By: gaugeyagee</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaugeyagee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FreemonSandlewould:  I studied electrical engineering.  However, using that fact to be an ass to random people on the Internet would be pretty damn pathetic of me, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FreemonSandlewould:  I studied electrical engineering.  However, using that fact to be an ass to random people on the Internet would be pretty damn pathetic of me, right?</p>
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		<title>By: FreemonSandlewould</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreemonSandlewould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 12:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes CO2 is not correlated if you are talking about what causes what ....

CO2 LAGS temperature by 800 years.  But then an idiot like you would not understand.  

BTW: Saw your picture. You are a hipster duFace who is only cool in his own mind.  The rest of us laugh at you behind your back.

I thought about doing software when I was deciding what to do but then decided to become and electrical engineer and do something that was really difficult and leave software for people who could not do anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes CO2 is not correlated if you are talking about what causes what &#8230;.</p>
<p>CO2 LAGS temperature by 800 years.  But then an idiot like you would not understand.  </p>
<p>BTW: Saw your picture. You are a hipster duFace who is only cool in his own mind.  The rest of us laugh at you behind your back.</p>
<p>I thought about doing software when I was deciding what to do but then decided to become and electrical engineer and do something that was really difficult and leave software for people who could not do anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: capt bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>capt bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out this recent post from WUWT:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/15/update-sun-and-ice/#more-7074

We could be in for a long cold multi-year period. Time to move from winnipeg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check out this recent post from WUWT:<br />
<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/15/update-sun-and-ice/#more-7074" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/15/update-sun-and-ice/#more-7074</a></p>
<p>We could be in for a long cold multi-year period. Time to move from winnipeg.</p>
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		<title>By: ClintJCL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClintJCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Badki79 -- I&#039;m only going to address one point. There was no global cooling &quot;Craze&quot;: Read for yourself:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Badki79 &#8212; I&#8217;m only going to address one point. There was no global cooling &#8220;Craze&#8221;: Read for yourself:<br />
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: badki79</title>
		<link>http://ideonexus.com/2008/02/13/sun-spot-cycle-prompts-fears-of-global-cooling/comment-page-1/#comment-10914</link>
		<dc:creator>badki79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how &quot;concensus&quot; freaks are stuck on anthropagenic CO2 caused global warming. They all seem to be willing to use CO2 spikes and proof but fail to care that natural CO2 spikes 100000 years apart are the examples used to support the &quot;Gore&quot; model. I don&#039;t think we had many cars and factories 130000 years ago when the CO2 spike exceeded today&#039;s peak. How can anyone use cyclical natural CO2 spikes of the past as an example but not accept the possibility that today&#039;s spike (which follows past cyclical patterns) is likewise natural. Oh I remember, James Hansen has a model that says so. I also remember back in the 70&#039;s when his model was the basis for the Global Cooling craze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how &#8220;concensus&#8221; freaks are stuck on anthropagenic CO2 caused global warming. They all seem to be willing to use CO2 spikes and proof but fail to care that natural CO2 spikes 100000 years apart are the examples used to support the &#8220;Gore&#8221; model. I don&#8217;t think we had many cars and factories 130000 years ago when the CO2 spike exceeded today&#8217;s peak. How can anyone use cyclical natural CO2 spikes of the past as an example but not accept the possibility that today&#8217;s spike (which follows past cyclical patterns) is likewise natural. Oh I remember, James Hansen has a model that says so. I also remember back in the 70&#8242;s when his model was the basis for the Global Cooling craze.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the debate rages.......sorry Al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the debate rages&#8230;&#8230;.sorry Al.</p>
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